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[ovirt-users] oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions
Sandro Bonazzola
2021-04-27 08:13:27 UTC
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Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
feedback with a survey.
Any questions you'd like to be asked?
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Gianluca Cecchi
2021-04-27 08:18:26 UTC
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Desired storage options
Desired single server setup with included maintenance and updates made easy
Backup improvements desiderata

Thanks,
Gianluca
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Sandro Bonazzola
2021-04-27 10:56:51 UTC
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Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola <
Post by Sandro Bonazzola
Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
feedback with a survey.
Any questions you'd like to be asked?
For reference, Autumn survey results:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzzh_MSsSq-LSQLauJzuaHC0Va1baXm84A_9XBCIileLNSPQ/viewanalytics
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Jiří Sléžka
2021-04-27 18:45:53 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Sandro Bonazzola
Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
provide feedback with a survey.
Any questions you'd like to be asked?
maybe something about most wanted new feature?

Cheers,

Jiri
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Yedidyah Bar David
2021-04-28 05:28:02 UTC
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Post by Jiří Sléžka
Hi,
Post by Sandro Bonazzola
Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
provide feedback with a survey.
Any questions you'd like to be asked?
maybe something about most wanted new feature?
+1 from me, but I'd like to add: Bugs and features are tracked in bugzilla.
If you want a new feature, please open a bug, with subject starting with '[RFE]'
(and bugzilla should automatically also add to it the keyword FutureFeature).
If you are interested in an existing open bug/RFE, please comment on it saying
so, preferably with concrete reasons as applicable.

I also have vague memories about being about to press a "vote" button for bugs,
but can't find it right now.

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Yedidyah Bar David
2021-05-03 10:10:39 UTC
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Post by Jiří Sléžka
Hi,
Post by Sandro Bonazzola
Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
provide feedback with a survey.
Any questions you'd like to be asked?
maybe something about most wanted new feature?
Perhaps add one or more questions about the base OS. E.g.:

* What are your plans regarding the base OS, with the recent changes in CentOS?

- Stay on oVirt 4.3 + CentOS 7 for the time being

- Manually upgrade to CentOS Stream on both engine and hosts

- Use only ovirt-node and the appliance [2]

- Migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux or some rebuild of it (and
please provide details - which one?)

- More than one of the above, depending on use case (and please provide details)

And perhaps also ask about plans in light of Red Hat's RHV roadmap
[1], to slowly phase out RHV in favor of OpenShift Virtualization:

* What are your plans for the next 2-3 years for your virtualization
use (see also [1])?

- Migrate to OKD/kubevirt

- Stay on oVirt for the time being

- Migrate to Oracle's OLVM and expect/ask that they continue
supporting it further

- Migrate to some other FOSS virtualization project (which? Please
provide details)

- Migrate to some proprietary product (which? Please provide details)

[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev

[2] ovirt-node and ovirt-engine-appliance are images created by oVirt
for releases. These are going through at least basic testing before
announcing a release. If/when oVirt starts basing them on CentOS
Stream, one can expect them to be tested before the release, at least
so that they can be considered some kind of a “stable base” to work
from. Then, updating to newer versions of packages provided by CentOS
Stream is up to the user: Some would prefer to not ever do this (until
the next release of oVirt), some would cherry-pick specific updates as
needed/relevant (e.g. security-related updates), and some might update
everything daily (e.g. for testing).

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marek
2021-04-29 07:35:20 UTC
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hi Sandro,

SW components used for cluster like:

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts

- Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts

...

Marek
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Hi,
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Any questions you'd like to be asked?
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Sandro Bonazzola
2021-04-29 07:59:21 UTC
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Post by marek
hi Sandro,
- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
- Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
make sense, adding.
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...
Marek
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Tony Brian Albers
2021-04-29 09:15:23 UTC
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Maybe also some questions about what kind of storage people use?

Do they use a dedicated file server or something distributed like gluster?

Storage filesystems that could be used:

XFS
ZFS(FreeBSD/Solaris/Illumos/Linux)
Hammer(DragonflyBSD)
OneFS (EMC Isilon)
GPFS(IBM)
etc.

/tony
Post by marek
hi Sandro,
- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
- Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
make sense, adding.
...
Marek
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Konstantin Shalygin
2021-04-30 06:41:32 UTC
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Hi Sandro,

The question is - will ovirt plan to provide database migration scripts from deprecated OpenStack provider to cinderlib? I mean put in survey actual users and quantity of images in domain


Thanks,
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Sandro Bonazzola
2021-04-30 06:56:02 UTC
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Post by Konstantin Shalygin
Hi Sandro,
The question is - will ovirt plan to provide database migration scripts
from deprecated OpenStack provider to cinderlib? I mean put in survey
actual users and quantity of images in domain
Moving this question to its own thread.
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Thanks,
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Konstantin Shalygin
2021-05-07 12:44:10 UTC
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Thanks Sandro, wait for Eyal


k

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Post by Konstantin Shalygin
Hi Sandro,
The question is - will ovirt plan to provide database migration scripts from deprecated OpenStack provider to cinderlib? I mean put in survey actual users and quantity of images in domain
Moving this question to its own thread.
+Eyal Shenitzky can you please reply
Sandro Bonazzola
2021-04-29 08:38:59 UTC
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Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:08 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
Hi Sandro
First of all thank you leading this project.. can you share us what is the
road map of this project for next 5 years?
oVirt project tracks plans in bugzilla, you can see what's being planned
here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=classification%3Aovirt
and contribute shaping what's coming next.

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:10 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
Also any plan to integrate ceph storage into ovirt Hyperconverged solution
as we did for Gluster?
I'm not aware of any effort planned for it
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Thomas Hoberg
2021-05-03 22:34:03 UTC
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Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
- single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota issues"?
- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure coding for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
- oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage as initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role differentiation?
- it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM these days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
- oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks, including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node HCI) including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
- import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard operations against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts, recognizing each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each assuming it owned the host?
- RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the oVirt node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
- nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the physical hardware?
- Ansible was just 10000x faster?
- oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back at any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)
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Sandro Bonazzola
2021-05-05 11:00:24 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hoberg
Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
more than a question to the users community this sounds like feedback on
current pain points :-)

- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
+Rejy Cyriac <***@redhat.com> how well is documented and how can we
improve the experience for this step?
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota issues"?
- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure
Post by Thomas Hoberg
coding for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
- oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage
as initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role
differentiation?
I think these needs further explanation but I'll let Gluster team to ask
about them
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM
these days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
Anyone willing to donate this edgy hardware to the project so we can fully
validate oVirt on such hardware?
https://ovirt.org/community/get-involved/donate-hardware.html
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks,
including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node
HCI) including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
Can you please detail the test criteria? Just noting here we lack the
hardware for testing a 9 node HCI setup in oVirt Jenkins.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard
operations against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
Any specific issue seen on this?


- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts,
Post by Thomas Hoberg
recognizing each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each
assuming it owned the host?
I don't foresee this to happen, if you want to run VMs and containers on
the same hosts you should probably look at OKD+Kubevirt as soltution.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the
oVirt node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
Yes, working with 3rd party drivers is not easy while using Node. For this
case a plain CentOS / RHEL would work better.
There's a bug in Anaconda that doesn't allow to easily handle 3rd party
driver installation with image based installation.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully
testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the
physical hardware?
nested virtualization is used for testing oVirt on x86_64 always. All oVirt
System Tests suite relies on nested virtualization working.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- Ansible was just 10000x faster?
This is not something the oVirt team can do :-) we can suggest something
to speed up:
https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-ansible-hosted-engine-setup#deployment-time-improvements
but it may have its corner cases when it may not work as espected.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
- oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back
at any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)
maybe worth splitting the discussion on separate threads per topic.
Post by Thomas Hoberg
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